Wednesday, December 22, 2010
Hong Kong Projects
Feel: Hong Kong
Street Performers
Homeless in Hong Kong (poverty in Hong Kong)
Monday, December 20, 2010
Film Festivals to Enter into
Deadline Dec 31st
HK$390
http://www.hkiff.org.hk/en/press_35hkiff_entry.php
Jeonju International Film Festival 2011
Deadline Jan 28 2011
http://eng.jiff.or.kr/g70_community/10_notice_detail.asp?idx=82
http://www.freshwave.hk/
Hawaii International Film Festival
Deadline March 30th $40
http://hiff.org/industry
Monday, November 1, 2010
lock off ( complete) your picture edit as soon as possible.
At this point bring the sound designer and composer together for a 'spotting' session.
In this session watch the film together and in addition to all diegetic sound in already in the edit , outline the areas where you imagine there to be :
1. music
2. sound design ( dialogues / effects / atmospheres)
3. a combination of the music and sound design
The sound designer and composer then take away a low res version of the edit with burnt in time code and then work on their respective areas.
When complete, all elements of the sound track are brought together for the MIX.
The director in collaboration with the film mixer ( and sound designer and composer) then decides on the relative level of the different elements of the sound track.
I hope this helps,
A
Tuesday, October 19, 2010
EDIT
Bumped into Andrew Taylor and wish I saw him a month ago but he gave me some honest criticism.
LS of the couple walking showing the pregnantness of MAY.
XLS Three of them walking along the street shot from across the street.
Monday, October 11, 2010
Brick-Ben Folds Five
I am somewhat inspired by Ben Folds Five's Brick, a song I listened to on the radio in high school and finally found out its name and title today while meeting up with my composer, Adrian. Adrian is charging me $200. I though I could get it done for free. $25/hr that's like 8 hours of work. It's basically the money I made at UTS. It got to be good. Glebe is a nice town.
Anyway, while I was listening to "Brick," I got some footage and images on my head and though I could do a short film about abortion.
While I was with Adrian, I couldn't but think that I would compose my own music if I work hard at it. Adrian has a BA music degree from Sydney Uni did a course and is currently doing AFTRS' grad dip in composing.
In a way, I am quite flexible. I think eventually, I can teach, direct, compose song and music, be a DOP, editor, do aftereffect and do my lights. But you actually can't do everything at once in a production. A lot of it is communication.
Finished with Ayumi's 'Thanks' short film today. Bernie and I had a stupid fit about gaffer tape. It was totally stupid.
I thought about starting an annual "Asian Australian Film Festival" or even a bi-annual one. No, annual. I think there isn't one. I am sure people, or at least the Asians want one and get support from SBS, Asian businesses and associations. All it needs is money, venue, volunteers and judges. I am pretty sure I can get some government money.
Met with Queenie yesterday who became my assistant editor. She's a freshman, or 1st year and young people have this idealism and innocent. It's so wonderful. She makes me young. She is going to work on the titles and maybe end titles, as well as syncing.
Tuesday, September 28, 2010
Sunday, September 19, 2010
Kogarah
I am super tire, had a long day and going to have a long night and I need a time to nap really if I am to be productive tonight.
I walked into a Vietnamese restaurant run by Chinese speaking accented Cantonese at 530 Princess Highway at Rockdale. I talked to the boss and gave him my number.
There was this cute Asian shop with Hello Kitty stuff and other Japanese cute stuff calls, "Bobo Li" and I think the phone number is 9588-2124. There are several Chinese restaurant down the road.
Across from that store is this large Asian store, "Shopping Paradise" at 74-84 Railway Parade.
Bernie is kicking my ass, and it is good.
Tuesday, August 17, 2010
First Meeting of PBC
I was at the library at 1:05pm right after eating lunch with small group. It's good having a small group finally. Anyway I went inside the library and it was 1:10pm and I still couldn't see anybody and I tried calling him but he never picked up. I was getting a bit worried. I went outside several times to look around and started waiting just inside the gate in the library and he finally came in.
Paul is excited about it and that's really good. We went down the things we have to do: casting, securing location and getting more specific with characters. We have a lot of work to do.
I need to think about the title again and be exact on what I want.
Need to write a background paragraph for character.
For audition, get actors to memorized the line. Contact that Asian agency. Finalize on what I want. Think about beat of script and securing equipment.
Friday, August 6, 2010
Organizations to contact for fund
ACCA
http://www.acca.org.au
Chinese Heritage Association of Australia Inc.
http://www.chineseheritage.org.au/
Australia China Friendship Society
http://www.acfs.com.au/
http://www.acabs.org.au/
The Chinese Studies Association of Australia
http://www.csaa.org.au/
The Hong Kong Australia Business Association Limited
http://www.hkaba.com.au/
Australian Chinese Professionals Association Incorporated (ACPA)
http://www.acpaonline.org.au/
Chinese Language Teachers' Federation of Australia (Inc.)
http://www.cltfa.asn.au/frameset.htm
ACEA, Australian Chinese Engineers Association
http://www-personal.usyd.edu.au/~victor/ACEA.html
A LIst of Movie I saw
歲月神偷 Echoes of the Rainbow 8
Exit Through the Gift Store 7
Inception 7
Collateral 5
The Rookie 5.3
Stealing Beauty 7
Japanese Story 4
The Devil Wears Prada 6.8
Juno 6.3
Toy Story 3 7.8
Love Actually 8.2
Holiday 2
The Kite Runner 7.3
3.10 to Yuma 7.7
阿飛正傳 Days of Being Wild 9
Steamboy 6.4
Wall-E 9.4
I Do (French) 7.9
Gigantic 7
Kick Ass 6.7
Fantastic Mr Fox 8.1
Up in the Air 7.5
Confucious 4.2
Precious 5.1
Swimming Pool 4.6
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves (Kevin Costner) 7.6
Life Aquatic 9
Pride and Prejudice
Outfoxed 6
Easy Rider
Clubland 6.9
Muriel's Wedding 6.7
I am Legend 5.9
The Eel
The Breakfast Club
Sweet Sixteen
The Life and Death of Peter Sellers 6.7
Being There 7
Dances with Wolves 9.6
The Wind will Carry Us
Kinsey
Knocked Up
Blood Diamond 8.1
The Son's Room (French)
The Class (French)
Taste of Cherry (Iranian)
No Country for Old Men 7.8
K-Pax 6.1
Eron: Smartest Guys in the Room 6.4
I want to shoot it with Sony PMW-EX3, so I need a camera operator with experience and know-how to shoot on the EX3.
The only person I can think of is James.
Friday, July 30, 2010
-Out in the Ocean
-Out in the Blue
-How to Cure a Broken Heart
-Submerge
I thought of how being in a lovelorn state is like submerge in the ocean and I thought of the time when I was at Bondi Beach being turned over and pushed around by the waves under the water, and how I could use my waterproof camera. It is to show the state of mind. I got a song in my head too which I recorded onto my phone.
Sunday, July 4, 2010
阿飛正傳
Thursday, June 24, 2010
感覺-香港 美國 澳洲 Feel
For English title, I am not sure. The first word came up was "feeling", then "feel", then esthesia, aesthesia, aesthesis, esthesis and impressure.
感覺-香港
感覺-澳洲
感覺-美國
Images of places I grew up in. For example for Hong Kong. This is the place where I lived in when I was born. The thing about Hong Kong is that everything, the landscape changes every once in a while and often you don't get to revisit some of the places of your childhood. City One is somewhat of an exception. I lived there. Yeah, I went to this school. I still remember my first grade teacher's name. She was about late 50s or 60s when I was there.
This the one of the rare case, the tea restaurant I went to usually for breakfast is still here after some 20 or more years. This sport store is still here. Pretty amazing.
It's funny coming back, living here. I am, in a general sense, not accepted as a Hong Konger now, although part my heart is here. I care about Hong Kong's democracy movement, education system, our mini constitution that guarantee our rights and freedom of expression that separates us from the rest of China. One time I was in Mongkok and I prided myself on my fluent Cantonese and I would try to be local but people can tell, especially in places like Tai Po or Mongkok. I reckoned that I might get a better bargain if I act local but after the purchase, they asked me, "So where are you from?" It was a bit of a shocker. I thought I did quite good. And I would tell them I came back from America. I often skip the Australia part because it might get a little complicated and confusing, and it doesn't really matter to them.
I think it's also my body movement, clothes I wear, hairstyle and body language as well. I also don't look too Chinese, at least not the stereotypical Chinese look. I got Korean, Malaysian, Japanese, Indonesian and etc. But as far as I know, I am 100% Chinese. It might has to do with the curly hair I inherited from my mom side.
Monday, June 21, 2010
"Home is where love is."
Wednesday, June 9, 2010
New Ending for Proto
Confrontation.
Julie, "What are you doing here?"
Monday, May 24, 2010
The End of Violence
It wasn't the first time. And I don't think it would be the last. It's just a pain in the butt.
This time I said, "Shittt!" And turned to look at them disapprovingly. Another two small kids were behind them and they were laughing, smirking. They were like 12 to 14 years old, maybe younger. One of them, a small one faked a move too and I think I shot him a pretty pissed angry look, I was angry and he said, "Oh, they are just stupid." Maybe I got the other wrong and I yelled back something like, "Grow up..." and something like that. I probably wanted to say, "What the fuck?!" It did cross my mind to bash them in the head with the old black IBM laptop I was holding and break his nose. I think I could take those 2 small kids easily but then there were at least 3 bigger ones.
Afterward I saw the security guard just in front of the Central tunnel, he's probably to patrol the shops in the area between the 2 tunnels. He asked me if I usually walk this way at this time, and I said yea, I have a class that ends at 9pm. He advised me to not take the underground but go above next time and to tell my friends also. I then understand why Bei doesn't go underneath. I told him that this is pretty tragic and that people are getting beat up, even disables, get beat up by these people. Is there a way to solve this? He told me there are undercover cops but they are not there all the time. He also told me several people got beat up recently here, like 8 of them beat up this dude who was shaking as he approached the security guard. He told me that when this happen, and if that happened to me, he wouldn't be here.
He just didn't want any trouble. As we were talking (I was complaining), a lady told me "They are rotten (or something like that), they got nothing better to do." I didn't like she was kind of proud and happy to give me the information. It was a tragic sight. This whole issue of these drunken violent teenagers is tragic and serious, nothing to be make light of.
Anyway, that gave me the idea to possibly research the story and make a documentary out of it.
A fictional story also came up in my head-The End of Violence.
It would be something like this:
A good kid is walking from school, or just walking at night to train station or back home and is bashed up. Maybe it's about a young sweet teenager couple getting taunted, beat up and raped. Anyway, real tragic. The boy gets hospitalized. The dad get mad and slowly (like Fight Club) organized this informal organization composed of people who are basically just sick of these teenagers. They patrol hot spots of teenage gangs violence, escort people carrying baseball bat, cricket bat, golf club, shovel and etc. This group of people compose of off duty security guards, police officers, former victims from all walks of life but mostly men with a handful of women. They wear masks to shield their identity.
Occasionally they get into fights with drunken teenagers, make an example of one of them. They try to impose fear and order. They are frustrated that they can no longer enjoy freedom and be safe on their streets, which are taken over by violent teenagers with the authority almost useless in maintaining order.
At the end, there is a change. Streets are free of graffiti. People are fearful of one another. Everybody live in fear because nobody knows who will upset who and best to be respectful, thus the end of violence.
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
IGNITE
December18th
Ignite is Australia’s premier Christian Short Film Festival
Posted in: Articles, Featured Articles, Newsletter
Ignite is Australia’s premier Christian Short Film Festival.
Started in 2004, its major aims are to develop young Christian film makers and to encourage people to be creative about communicating the truths of the Bible.
The rules are simple:
- Films must be based on a verse or passage from the Bible that contains a keyword
- Films must be no longer than 5 minutes
Entries close on the last Friday in July each year, with the Festival Screening and Awards Ceremony on the first Saturday in September. The following year’s theme is announced at the Award Ceremony.
Previous themes have been:
- 2004 – Parables
- 2005 – Water
- 2006 – Fire
- 2007 – Light
- 2008 – Rock (or Stone)
- 2009 – Animal(s)
Ignite is based in Sydney, but receives entries from all over the world. In recent years films have come from countries as diverse as the UK, Argentina, India and Cambodia.
Competition Format
The Festival Director views all films to assess their suitability for competition – that is, does each film meet the entry criteria noted above.
The films that make it through (which is normally all but one or two) then get sent to a panel of preliminary judges, who collectively select the best 20 films.
The ‘Top 20′ films are all eligible for the People’s Choice award. From 2009, these films will be uploaded onto this website, with the People’s Choice award voting happening online.
The judges then individually choose winners in various categories, as well as one or two ‘honourable mentions’. These decisions are then collated by the Festival Director to come up with the category winners, and four ‘wild cards’ – films that didn’t take out a category but rated highly among the judges.
The category winners, the People’s Choice winner, and the four wild cards are screened at the Awards Ceremony, and all of them are eligible for the major award – the Gold Sparky for the Best Film.
The Gold Sparky is decided on the night by a separate judging panel. Although it hasn’t happened yet, it is possible for a wild card entry to win the major prize.
Ignite Awards
Awards are given for the following categories:
- Best Script
- Best Performance by a Male Actor
- Best Performance by a Female Actor
- Best Cinematography
- Best Sound
- Best Editing/Effects
- Best Director
- Best Entry by a School
- Best Entry by a First-time Film Maker (Bright Spark)
- People’s Choice
- Best Film (Gold Sparky)
An award for Best Animation has also been given in some years.
A range of cash and other prizes are also attached to the various awards.
In 2009, the Gold Sparky and People’s Choice winners will receive a cash prize from our major sponsor, the Mary Bladon Christian Fellowship, while the Bright Spark and Schools category winners will receive a data projector from Christian Multimedia
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
Writing for the Screen Wk#9
Week#4, JUNE 1st! Bring in 3 copies on May 24th.
Bring 3 copies of film a week before script reading week for your script.
Key scene: 4-5 pages, not a page.
Key Scene: C27 decides to go against the system as he knows it for Alisha. Destiny for love? There is someone for us all. Fate.
Insomnia: Proto realizes where he is at the end of the story. Unconsciousness, lost memory because of dramatic experience.
Got my screenplay back and Margot told me to drop Cupid and that she just can't understand it. So I at least got Un-wake so it was a good idea to send both. She said cupid is "undergrad, you are postgrad." It felt really bad, especially the way she put it, to drop Cupid. I had and still have a lot of hope for Cupid.
I understand why she said that though, Cupid is not any high drama and I haven't finish it. One thing though I really need to improve my language skills and writing. There's no short cut to writing.
Monday, May 3, 2010
Election Shoot - Encounter
Token-4 Was lost because Jimmy took over as camera operator, he could've helped then as a camera assistant but just kind of drifted like Martin, could stand around less and make himself more useful.
Martian-5 Didn't have the props ready by 6pm, a big no no. Should've gotten the stuff done by 5:30pm today and didn't do his role on the production and just drifted around.
Lee- 4 At a lost as AD, messed up on casting, couldn't reach Mo and basically wasn't able to do al the tasks under his responsibility.
Train-4 Did alright as recorder but was stationary when others were moving. Could've helped more and been more active instead of being told what to do. Need to be ready on the go.
Mo-2 Missing in action because of special event of a new baby but could've called to tell us at least.
As for me, I don't give myself much of a rating, probably 4-5. But I was disappointed at the crew. I wanted to re-organize the crew and did but wasn't the first AD and producer suppose to do that? The producer didn't even call Mo! That was his job.
The worst was the standing around at the set with most of the crew except Jimmy. I couldn't believe that I was helping to get RTA, getting extension cord, putting down script, getting lights, putting the trolley on as director. I was doing as much if not more physical task than half of the crew and didn't even have time to get snack or finish the other half of my coffee.
Lee was kind of dumb, wasn't aggressive enough. He needed to man up and just do it. I was doing his job half the time. He was suppose to help me out so I can concentrate on directing.
On the other hand, the actors were good. Mike got the role nailed. Melody was good. I feel bad that we went out of film and time. It was just mismanagement and me not being organized. It's my disease. Jimmy saved my butt.
Tuesday, April 27, 2010
Role and Responsibility
But some of the postgrad are just not that serious or mature in stuff they do. I am pretty upset with my producer. He's not a bad guy but dude, he just don't know what he's suppose to do and doesn't get the job done. I don't need a producer asking me what he should do. Just figure it out. Just like what I did for the last production. Don't vent at me, just suck it up, just do it and find a way.
Producer's job is to take care of business and not stress the director out with little bitsy stuff about operation, how to call people, how to book and schedule things, transporting equipment and etc. Gees man. I was just containing myself talking to him, you don't want an upset and down hearted producer you know. But dude, man up! Don't complain to me. I don't complain as a producer. I didn't bother the director about my responsibility. I didn't vent and complain about the crew. Man up!
I think at times, people just take advantage of nice people. I was kind of pissed. The crew just have to get the job done no matter what. I think it sucks that T has to take all the stuff home and back tomorrow. I think S could have helped or find a way to help and not complain about it. Just tough it out and make solution. Didn't he think about that beforehand? Ridiculous! He's the producer. You are the fixer. Just suck it up. I think L could've just help a bit. I think you can tell when people make excuses, it's an outright "No", not like, "Uhmm, let me think, uhmmm sorry." If people want to help, they find ways to make it work. I didn't see it today. But in the end, T handled it and manned it up.
I suck it up a lot. You don't make excuses. I was kind of mad at T for saying we could've return it now. Make practical sense but that's wrong in principle. You just do it. We don't cut step for convenient. If we do that now, we will do that next time and the next time. It's just gonna be shit eventually. It's also about respect and honor. We honor and respect each actor's time. And we didn't know, we didn't know one would not come and the other was not going to as good as we expected. It was useful to have her on.
I am just sick of cheap people. E needs to grow up a bit. He is so childish at time.
Sunday, April 25, 2010
HOrror
There are different religious cults that recruit member, each with its own solution and explanation of what is happening but there is only one truth.
Residents of apartment complex 428.
Cruden is a young male in early 20s to late 20s. He's a kid basically and he is one of the people living in 428.
A fat butcher girl, white, shaking while peeing in the man's stall in restroom.
Everybody is in fear except a important and powerful leader. I dark haired man of large frame and 6'2" to 6'3" tall. He's very confident because he believes in something. But everybody dies no matter who you are. Death doesn't discriminate. Cruden is to escort this leader to talk on the street phone. He is tense and he looks the other way for anything. He swings his nunchaku around because he knows the enemy kill silently and not all physical at times and at the same time he was listening to the phone conversation and after finding out he can hear better if sticking his head next to phone box he listens, but the when he turns around, he finds the leader dead, bloody with his head almost decapitated and strangled by the phone line.
He quickly, shaking, white but calmly told other leaders that he is dead. In his surprise, the people were not shocked when the tells them in the restroom.
A religious cult who's not the "same" people as Cruden suggested and decided by playing loud music and drums they could be saved. The music would be a distraction to grab something from another place close of someone else and have the chance of saving them.
However, by playing drums and music indoor, it would let everybody know about where they are and they would lose their security.
Cruden changed his mind along with some of the residents but couldn't stop the "drum people" who went ahead.
Wednesday, April 21, 2010
mid-semester break, NOT
Monday, April 5, 2010
Character Crafting

THis evening will be my third Writing For The Screen class in Wk 6. In our last class, I pitched my Cupid #27 to my small group and the reception was pretty good. People thought it is very original and they like the Cupid#27, the character. Ritchie afterward suggested Ben, a DOP, to me. He was being really helpful and we talked a bit about production. He has a whole lot more experience then me and gave me many valuable advice and suggestion.
My discussion group consisted of Megan who told me has been writing screenplay for a long time, almost a decade and uses Final Draft, the industrial standard screenwriting software. I am using the free Celtex. There were also Rowan and Daniel also along with Ritchie who works at the equipment shop (so he knows everyone basically). They want a happy ending for Cupid#27 and it was only over this weekend and then today that I finally came to it.
At the end of the movie, #27 and #6 are sitting together at a cafe table eating lunch as usual. #27 spots a girl and says something. The camera shows #6 is ready with two arrows one for #27, the other for the girl. #6 says, "woah, looks at her eyes." #27 looks into the girl's face, he gets shot and an arrow shoots at the girl, into her chest.
#27 and the girl (and I have Tristen in mind, the actress I worked in for Distance) fall in love. The last shot is a close up of #6 talking to the audience:
Music start playing.
It looks like the movie is ending yet there is one last shot the pull backs to #6.
"And this is how you do it" (or something like that)
Music begins again.
Party atmosphere music.
Saturday, March 20, 2010
Quotes from Adaptation written by Charlie Kaufman
This quote really got me thinking. As a Xian, it does matter to acknowledge that God loves us, but this quote is more with people or mortal love than divine love. And I can relate to that. You can't be restricted by other people's opinion. What they think, feel, like or dislike you does not matter and shouldn't matter on who you should be. "You are what you love," and my life should reflect that, and I think it does. As in Philippians, God is my protector. The most important thing is His perspective, not anybody else, then I can be free from the world. That's what freedom is.
Robert McKee: Nothing happens in the world? Are you out of your fucking mind? People are murdered every day. There's genocide, war, corruption. Every fucking day, somewhere in the world, somebody sacrifices his life to save someone else. Every fucking day, someone, somewhere takes a conscious decision to destroy someone else. People find love, people lose it. For Christ's sake, a child watches her mother beaten to death on the steps of a church. Someone goes hungry. Somebody else betrays his best friend for a woman. If you can't find that stuff in life, then you, my friend, don't know crap about life! And why the FUCK are you wasting my two precious hours with your movie? I don't have any use for it! I don't have any bloody use for it!
Charlie Kaufman: Okay, thanks.
Susan Orlean: It's over. Everything's over. I did everything wrong. I want my life back. I want it back before everything got fucked up. I want to be a baby again. I want to be new. I WANT TO BE NEW.
John Laroche: Point is, what's so wonderful is that every one of these flowers has a specific relationship with the insect that pollinates it. There's a certain orchid look exactly like a certain insect so the insect is drawn to this flower, its double, its soul mate, and wants nothing more than to make love to it. And after the insect flies off, spots another soul-mate flower and makes love to it, thus pollinating it. And neither the flower nor the insect will ever understand the significance of their lovemaking. I mean, how could they know that because of their little dance the world lives? But it does. By simply doing what they're designed to do, something large and magnificent happens. In this sense they show us how to live - how the only barometer you have is your heart. How, when you spot your flower, you can't let anything get in your way.
Robert McKee: I'll tell you a secret. The last act makes a film. Wow them in the end, and you got a hit. You can have flaws, problems, but wow them in the end, and you've got a hit. Find an ending, but don't cheat, and don't you dare bring in a deus ex machina. Your characters must change, and the change must come from them. Do that, and you'll be fine.
Charlie Kaufman: My leg hurts, I wonder if it's cancer? There's a bump. I'm starting to sweat. Stop sweating. I've got to stop sweating. Can she see it dripping down my forehead? She looked at my hair line. She thinks I'm bald. She...
Valerie Thomas: We think you're great.
Charlie Kaufman: Oh, wow, thanks. Well, that's nice to hear.
Monday, February 8, 2010
因為 yīn wèi Because and 八十後 Post-80
Did super boring stuff today, crossing out a line from the brochure. And I went to do the transcript. Good thing I don't come here as often now. Not really much to learn and I feel like a dupe there sometimes but the place does kind of inspire me a bit.
I thought of the project, 因為 Because today while eating with my parents. It will be a first person POV, hand held documentary of many of the protests in a year in Hong Kong. It would show a footage of the narrator or people protesting for a issue, and then show a clip of the people the protesters are fighting for, or the cause, showing the cause. For example, if I was to film footage of a protest for poverty, then I would show a poor family, or people in poverty. The image I got was for universal suffrage and show footage of children, to convey that people are protesting for the future, the children. There would be some narrative.
八十後 Post-80
八十後 Post-80 is basically a collection of answers of questions about people who are born after 1980s. It is to reflect and discover the voices of young people nowadays who are just coming out to work in the society. So they are from the age of 30-17. I want to get their views on how things are in Hong Kong, and it's more of a survey.
Sunday, February 7, 2010
Back in VisibleRecord
Anyway, here are some ideas of video projects I can do in Hong Kong. I feel like I should put these on my idea blog but they are projects that are very possible with what I can do now, so I m going to put them here.
I was suppose to go to a protest march for families in poverty today but it was canceled because of the rain.
Anyway, after going to bookstore with AKko, i got an idea: 感覺:香港 or Feel.Hong Kong. in English. I might still have to think about the proper punctuation I would like to use but basically the project is my POV of places in Hong Kong as I walk through them or experience them. The camera would be my eyes. I kind of did that today but for Feel.Hong KOng., heretofore as FHK, but mostly wide shot. More artsy then POV. So next time going to do POV.